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High/Hero Dosing Amanita Muscaria

Updated: Dec 30, 2023





Do not begin working with muscaria by high dosing. This is not like any other entheogenic substance. High dose muscimol can eat your lunch, cause trauma and open up parts of your inner self that you are not yet ready to deal with. The best way to use this mushroom is to do a microdose protocol, with also macrodosing. This gives your mind and body a chance to level off with the mushroom before jumping into the deep end. I am not trying to be coy or make this seem like an important mushroom or trying to be dramatic. My very first dose of psylocybin was 8.5 grams. I am not afraid of high dosing. When I caution you here, I am doing so because of the years of experience and information from others who use it and because I care.

I want to say there are some serious warnings about using this mushroom in higher doses. The first is both use the same pathways in the a brain, alcohol

and amanita. So please do not drink alcohol within a few days of using high doses of amanita. If you are taking benzodiazepine drugs, they follow the exact same pathways in the brain and you could wind up overdosing. I strongly discourage you using this mushroom recreationally.

Sleep drugs like Ambien and other mental health medications that use the GABA pathways will overdose those pathways.

Ibotenic acid is a cholinergic and antihistimines like Benadryl use the cholinergic pathways.

Make sure you do your research. This is not medical advice. This is not advice at all. I am not condoning the recreational use of this mushroom. I expect that you will research the neuropathways of ibotenic acid and muscimol and whatever you use or take.

I am not a mycologist. You are responsible for your identification. I am not a doctor or a pharmacist.




What we're learning about this mushroom is that its therapeutic

effects in micro dosing is very small and then recreational doses are also the threshold is

very small. So what you have to understand about this mushroom is it's just a mushroom. And the fungal kingdom is an entire classification kingdom. It's huge. It's just as large as the animal kingdom and the plant kingdom. So just because psilocybin, mushrooms or mushrooms doesn't mean they're anything like the Amanita muscaria. They're just two completely different living organisms.

Muscimol in higher doses starts to become difficult to work with alone. So you can't just say the ibotenic acid is toxic and damaging and muscimol safe. It just doesn't work like that. It's very dose dependent and it seems to be like this balancing thing, right? Aminita mascaria affects the GABA pathways and it is a GABA agonist and your acetylcholine pathways too. There are still many more neurotransmitters in the brain that it affects and there's so many that science still doesn't know what they all are yet. But in addition to affecting the brain, it actually affects the entire body. And there's one article now that is suggesting that ibotinic acid is decarboxylated into muscimol in the synapses in your nerve cells. So up until now,

we thought that only the liver did the converting, but now it's hinting that the conversion

is actually happening throughout the entire body including the gut. Ibotenic acid and muscimol affects the gut and the smooth muscles that surround your organs and it can send them into intense spasms that can be pretty severe, not just ibotinic

acid muscimol as well. So this is why it's a complex mushroom.

It's also why if you have experience with psilocybin, it won't translate because those work

on serotonin and this works on so many things. Also, this mushroom is highly dependent on your existing brain chemistry and body chemistry and how those things are working and speaking to each other. And those things are highly variable depending on the foods that you eat, the stressful situations that you live in, any trauma you've experienced in your life, any PTSD you could be living with, I mean, there's so many things. So that's why some people are taking 15 grams and getting absolutely nothing, and some people are taking a half a cup, the way that I show how to make it in my video and getting an amazing, beautiful experience. There's also some issues with potency.

So if you happen to have gotten some mushrooms that are in the very last fruiting, you'll have to see my video on some science where I discuss the chemistry of it, if you care to know why. But the ones that fruit first are going to be the most

potent and the ones that fruit last in the season are going to be the least potent. Also, we're

looking at some research that says that the amount of Ibotenic acid and muscimol starts to degrade over time the longer that they've been stored. Also, there's lemon tech. So if

you want to convert more of that ibatinic acid into muscimols to have a better chance of your

low dose recreational dose working, then look at the lemon tech. So the way that

we are learning people get the best results from this thing is to microdose first. Because of

all of those complex systems in the brain and in the body being all over the place. There seems to be like this adaptogenic effect of this mushroom where it is leveling those systems out in micro dosing and you have a much better chance of getting a very good therapeutic experience.




If you are just determined to do a high dose and you don't want to mess with microdosing, well, okay, but don't blame me when you get really erratic or scary or disappointing results. I warned you. But if that's what you're going to do, and you have decided to do 15 grams, let me tell you this. I'm going to make up a statistic, but it's based on anecdotal evidence and information that I've finally been able to gather. Now, over this period of time that I've been getting stories from people, and it's this. It's looking like about 5% are getting absolutely nothing at the 15 grams. It's looking like 80% are getting extremely toxic effects from it. Some of them are winding up in the hospital with seizures or such severe muscle spasms that they were scared and in so much pain they had to go to the hospital. Throwing up and the nausea is the least of your concerns because you can get rid of the Ibotenic acid and sort of mitigate that. We're seeing some people get just parts of the recreational dose,

like the depersonalization and hallucinatory effects, but then also these extreme physical

effects to the point where they're disoriented, but they're in so much physical pain that they

need help and they don't know how to get it because they're so disoriented and depersonalized that they are confused. They don't know where they are and they don't know how to get help. And this is about 80%. So if you are watching this and you did 15 grams and it was great, well, good for you. But I wouldn't recommend anyone do that and take that chance. You got lucky.

What we're

also seeing is people that can do a 15 grams dose once and get nothing and then they tried it again, wound up in that 80% with toxic effects or insevere pain or in some cases seizures. So you can't say, well, I had a great time on it once, so I can do that again. It's variable. So in addition to it being a highly personal mushroom, it also

changes how it treats you day to day, week to week, month to month. And that's because all these complex systems are constantly in flux and in motion. Depending on the amount of sleep that you're getting, the amount of exercise you're getting, the diet that you're eating, the stress level that you are under, any PTSD that you're suffering from, and all these things are changing constantly, and these levels are changing constantly. So it's a highly variable mushroom and there's no one size fits all dosing.

There's a decent chance if you've made it the way that I make it, and you start with your microdose and you've taken three to four times your micro dose and you still don't feel anything, you're not going to don't push yourself like that into these toxic or dangerous ranges. There's just no reason to because you just don't have a very good

chance that you're going to get anything out of it at this time. Drop back microdose, change

your life, circumstances and situations, because this mushroom has the ability to clean out

some really deep stuff. There's cannabis and how it affects these pathways and can prevent feeling amanita. And there's paradoxical reactions to ibotenic acid where it calms and makes you sleep (mostly people with ADD/ADHD who have paradoxical reactions to stimulants).

Watch the video or read about "How To Find Your Dose" for finding where to start. The take away here is that high doses of tea are good for theraputic reasons. High dose full muscimol conversion can be harsh and you need a sitter/helper. And doing that should happen after you have had a lot of time working with this mushrom.

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Delphi S
Delphi S
Jan 04

I work in a high stress environment. I started by microdosing and eventually stopped for a while because I didn’t feel any significant improvement to my stress and anxiety levels at work. I quit that job and moved into a new position in the same field of work. When I started this new position, I resumed dosing, but decided double my original .5g worth of dried in tea form with lemon. About a week later I upped the dose by another half gram again. Then I upped it by a gram shortly thereafter. From 2.5 gram I decided to double again to 5g daily mixed in tension tamer tea. While on this dose I was still having a pretty ha…

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James Mueller
James Mueller
Aug 08, 2023

I've been searching this site for a true dosing guide (plus bought the book and looked there too) and have yet to find one. Not a single value is given for which amount to start with, or what exactly a micro/macro/hero dose consists of. This is very frustrating. Start with a low dose? Sure, but what is a low dose? Is it 15g made into 1 cup of tea? This blog entry seems to say no. Is it 3.75g? 1 g? No idea. If there are legal reasons why AD cannot just come out and say: "First time users looking for a low-end macro dose to get a feel for the mushroom should drink X.XX cups of the tea, or…

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Thanks Bob, I appreciate this. My issue is that I don't have time. My list of requests and things to do on this site is so long that it takes me sometimes 9 months to get to each item. I pay for help, out source it, use transcription services to just transcrible videos etc. I don't care how it reads. The information is there. When I finally get an investor and can hire an assistant to take over other parts of my life, I personally will sit down and do all the hundreds of things I want to do to this site. It's not only important, it adds to my overwhelm and saddness with every thing I have to do…

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I have ADHD, but I've never taken this form of mushroom before, so maybe that is why I sleep? I've taken this mushroom three times now. I started with 2, then 4, then 6 grams and found that I only slept. I had no audio or visual experiences. I'm wondering if I either need to decarb the mushroom more or if lower doses work better for me?

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Try to get into meditative state. This mushroom is amazing but worl it’s way subtly . So continue to take a low dosage , even the tinyest microdosing is still getting in contact with the wisdom of this mushroom! If you are getting sleepy good chance that you actually decarbed too much as ibotenic acid is what give you energy! Muscimol is the sleepy part. I love doing oil invusion with dry mushroom personnaly! Simply trust in the medicine and be aware when taking it, it’s message will come.

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Very useful, especially re GABA, thank you. I'm an anxious autistic person with cptsd taking Mirtazapine which apparently affects the gaba pathway and I have had amanita microdose effects where my anxiety has increased quite a bit and I've felt more impulsive. I find a few days post microdose that I feel like some things have shifted in my thinking but until then things can get more difficult for me. Could of course be placebo effect. I'll consider the possibility of coming off Mirtazapine as I want to explore amanita further. Thank you Amanita Dreamer, ith love, Sky

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